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Welcome to the famous Computer Cafe,
brought to you by Online America, the voice

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of the information age. Each week at this
time we serve up an appetizing array of

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news, reviews, interviews and other delicacies,
all dealing with the exciting and

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expanding world of personal computers.
So join us at the famous Computer Cafe,

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where you can hear the movers and shakers
of the microcomputer world talk about

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everything from computer fantasies to
software piracy, from hardware innovations

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to online communications,
from state of the art to frontiers of the mind.

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Grab a seat, relax and dine for the next
hour at the famous Computer Cafe, where

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your favorite table is always waiting.
The famous Computer Cafe is brought to you

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by the software spot of West Los Angeles.
The software spot with the largest

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selection of software in town is the
oldest independently owned and operated

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software store in Los Angeles.

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Oh, it's raining cats and dogs out here,
you guys. How can you

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sing? My shoes are getting ruined.

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What a time to get a flat tire.
So whatever happened to the

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romance of singing in the rain?

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I'd rather be singing in the cafe.
Here, I'll get the door.

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Ah, the cafe looks so cozy. Doesn't it,
though? Let's go sit at our table and

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take a look at the menu for today.
I'm Ellen Walker.

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And I'm Andy Velkoff. And I'm Michael Walker.
And you're dining with us

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today at the famous Computer Cafe.

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Each week at this time, we broadcast from
the cafe, bringing you news, reviews,

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interviews and plenty of other treats.
The chef's special today is our guest,

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Howard Goldberg, the president of PlayNet,
a new online network. We'll be talking

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about our famous Computer Cafe giveaway.
You want to stay tuned for that, as well

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as reviewing Electronic Arts, Seven Cities
of Gold. Of course, Dave Johnson will

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join us, as well as Paul and Sarah Edwards.
Not to mention the poet laureate of

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the cafe, Dr. Disk, still handing out all
those buttons. What a promoter. I mean,

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a man after my own heart. You can say
that again. What a promoter. Okay, all

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right, all right. We'll be back in a
minute after the message from the folks at

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Software Spot. Stay tuned. Lotus announces
Symphony, the most comprehensive

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software system ever developed, playing
This Week at the Software Spot. Symphony

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combines word processing, spreadsheet,
communications, database, graphics and a

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command language with a windowing capability.
Symphony is available to our

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listeners at the Software Spot for $525.
Save $170 by mentioning

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Online America, the Software Spot at 10977
Santa Monica Boulevard in West LA or

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phone 213-477-7561,
the Software Spot giving you good discounts on

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magazines, books and software. A car,
a trip to Hawaii, a million dollars a year

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for the rest of your life. If any of you
know of a contest where we could win all

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these things, let us know, okay?
In the meantime, if any of you would like a

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chance to win a new Commodore 64 computer
or a dinner for two, then listen to

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this. Between now and December 17th,
we'll be throwing all letters received here

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at the famous Computer Cafe into a big hat.
On December 17th, we

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will import a very pretty woman in a short
skirt with a frozen smile to push her

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hand way down into the hat, not once,
but twice, and come up with a first prize

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winner and a second prize winner.
A letter or postcard with your name, address,

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phone number and the type of computer you
own or would like to own will qualify

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you to enter this contest. It's a contest.
Whether you're a bonafide hacker whose

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credentials include breaking into Fort Knox,
never mind, or a complete novice who

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can't spell the word computer and thinks
a bite is something you put in your

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mouth, not to worry, as Dr. Disk would say.
Just your name, address, phone and

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computer model on a piece of paper will
make you eligible for these wonderful

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prizes. And what are these wonderful prizes
you might ask? I'm so glad you asked.

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Johnny, tell us what this month's
contestants are going to win.

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Well, Bob, this month's second prize
winners will receive an all-expense paid

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candlelight dinner for two at the elegant
restaurant you see on your screen

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behind door number one. And this month's
first prize winner will receive a

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free, brand-new deluxe Commodore 64 home
computer. Yes, that's right. Commodore

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is the most popular personal computer
and is owned by more families than any

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other personal computer in
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Well, thank you, Johnny. You're welcome.
Now you've heard it, folks. Second prize

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of dinner for two and first prize,
a free Commodore 64 personal computer. What?

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Commodore 64. And everyone else will
receive one of our beautiful new

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famous computer cafe buttons.

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So everyone's going to be a winner.
What? A winner. So pick up your pen and a

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piece of paper or a postcard and address
your correspondence to the famous

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computer cafe giveaway 1322 Second Street
Suite 24, Santa Monica, California

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90401. Where? The famous computer cafe
giveaway 1322 Second Street Suite

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24, Santa Monica, California 90401.
Don't let this chance of a lifetime pass you

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by. Send in your postcard today. When? Today.

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Welcome to Online America. Here at the
famous computer cafe, we have Howard

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Goldberg with us. Howard, give us a sense
about what it is that you're doing with

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playing it and kind of how you got into
this whole thing. Well, thanks, Mike.

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It's it's a real pleasure to be here at
the computer cafe tonight. We're really

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excited about playing it. We started the
company about a year ago. My partner and

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I were working for GE in Albany, New York,
and we decided that we wanted to go

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off and start our own company. And we're
really excited about the prospects for

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computers in this country and
the opportunities for computers.

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And so we we had the idea that that
what would really go would be a network

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that people could make contact with each
other through their computer all across

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the country, play games with each
other like bridge or monopoly or chess

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and do a whole variety of
things online like being

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online America, but through the computer.

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And so we we started the company around
a year ago. We found some investors

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who are interested in in what we were doing,
hired some people, started

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developing the software and we started
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And just this August, we started a
final test market. We've got people

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from Illinois, from Illinois, from Illinois,
from Illinois, from Illinois, from

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Illinois, from Illinois, from Illinois,
from Illinois from Maryland, from Boston

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area, a few from California,
online right now, testing it out.

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And we're going to be starting our our
full national marketing of the plane that

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service come the end of October.
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you're going to give it give me an opportunity
to ask you a lot of questions. But

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this really means that you're setting up
something like a CompuServe or a source

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or knowledge index or something like that,
a main database that people can access

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from their personal home computers
into main databases and communicate

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with other people around the country.

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Well that's that's part of it, Mike.
We look at people

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like CompuServe and the source.

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We're really the pioneers of this market.
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basically information businesses.

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They've got their their computer,
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encyclopedias, airline schedules,
restaurant reviews. And you can connect

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into their computer and ask for information
and they send it down to you from

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their computer. But one of the things
that they also had was the ability

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for you as a subscriber to get on the
network and not get information from their

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computer but through their computer reach
other people who are also online and

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play some games with them. And what they
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one of the most popular parts of their network.
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and we said hey that's what people really
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That's a basic thing that people like to
make contact with other people. We also

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saw that there were other ways to give
features that CompuServe didn't have. For

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example, there's no graphics on CompuServe.
And when you're playing a game, for

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example, it's great to be able to see
the game board. And so we found a way to

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make it so that you could get that kind
of graphics. And also we we will be

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charging a lot less than CompuServe and
we think that for people to really enjoy

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and use this kind of a service it needs
to be at a popular price. Well, wait a

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minute now. If I seem to remember correctly
CompuServe is about six bucks eight

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six to eight bucks. How much is it?
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I'm not really sure about all the different
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CompuServe basically charges depending
where you are in the country between six

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and eight dollars an hour for the evening
hours and weekends and holidays. The

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way our pricing is is that the the
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There's also a monthly service fee of six
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no other there are no other connect charges.
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pay us two dollars. And we think that
that's an attractive price that people can

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afford where they can they can spend
time on on the network. They can make

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friends meet people play
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And there are many other features that
that we have in the works that people will

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be able to do with each other online.

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We've I have let's see
Knowledge Index CompuServe and

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I've seen the source. All those have
local access numbers. And what that means

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guys is that basically you get to call
up a local number so you're not charged

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even though you guys are like in New York
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So even though their main databases in
New York you can call a local access

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number. You're only charged for your local
phone call but then your bill the two

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dollars an hour for being online on their
their system so you don't have to pay

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two dollars in long distance charges right.
That's that's absolutely right. If

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you're in San Francisco or you're in Los
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in your city and then you're online
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hour. There are no other charges.

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So you can be online with your with your
grandmother or your brother or your

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friend across the country and you're
paying two dollars an hour which is far

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lower than than the price that
you would pay for long distance

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phone calls on AT&T. So that's we see
that as a real feature for people just to

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be able to to communicate with their
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Well stay tuned folks I guess you're
gonna find out a little bit about

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telecommunications tonight. So am I.
This is Michael Walker Online America. We'll

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be back with you in a few moments.

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Send for it today.

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You know Ellen it's a really nice day
to be here at the famous computer cafe.

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I know isn't it wonderful.

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It's so cozy in here with the fire going.

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I love this kind of day.

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I just feel like curling up on a big
leather chair in my flannel pajamas that

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Michael doesn't like with a good
book and a cup of hot chocolate.

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And don't get too into that fantasy.

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You know we still have a show to do.

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Oh yeah.

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Well speaking of shows you know I thought
I'd let you know that our friends at Cy

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Comp are going to be promoting
their Apple version of their

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product called coping with stress.

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That's this Wednesday November 21st.

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Well what are they going to be doing.

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They're going to have the
first ever autograph party for

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a software product which is kind of cute.

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Dr. Robert Reitman who is the author will
be at the Van Nuys computer land at 66

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28 Van Nuys Boulevard to demonstrate his self

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help software and to sign autographs.

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It sounds like real great celebrity stuff.

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That sounds interesting.

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Well it might be fun to check it out.

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Let's get back to Michael and
Howard talking about Playnet.

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This is Michael Walker.

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We're back with our guest Howard Goldberg
and Howard's the chairman of Playnet.

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I didn't know if he mentioned that to
you but I thought I might tell you.

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We're talking about telecommunications.

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This is all that modem stuff.

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This is all that you know if you want to
get online and use your telephone after

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you get your computer set up and everything.

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Basically what he has is a service that's
a main database that will allow you to

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talk to other people around the
country for a real small price.

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Let me ask you some questions.

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Basically if I got online with
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I can get some neat graphics.

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I can play games with
people around the country.

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I can communicate with people around
the country and watch them either

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on my monitor on my television.

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That's right. That's right.

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At the heart of Playnet is the social
activity that you can get online from your

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own home and meet people make new friends
or make contact with people who you

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already know at a low price
and have fun play games.

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We also have electronic mail.

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So if you want to make if you
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you can do that.

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We plan to add things like greeting cards.

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So a friend has a is getting
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You can send a card and they can call it
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card in full in full color graphics with music.

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One of the basic things is things that
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having fun when you're just just just
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You know I have actually heard you know
because we're in this business of really

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kind of seeking out the
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We're always talking about you
know what's something somebody

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doing different unusual.

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They actually start talking to one
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and then decide to meet someplace.

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People have gotten married.

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They have dates off of this.

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I mean this is like a
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I I've seen that myself.

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I know people who have who have
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have have gone out with them.

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Friendships have have have grown out of
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have anybody get married yet.

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But I have no doubt that that will happen.

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There really are not too many ways
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make contact with new people.

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You just can't very well pick up the phone
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But on planet you can get on any time and meet

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new people and it's perfectly fine.

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It's perfectly safe.

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You don't have to go out on the
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It's you know that's it's an opportunity to do

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things that you can't do any other way.

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But you know something.

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I mean I'm all for computers.

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I really am.

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I really promote computers.

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I think people should get on computers.

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But I don't I mean would you
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Listen if you're afraid to go outside of
your front door stay on your computer

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because hey you can meet new people this way.

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You don't have to be afraid of strangers.

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You advocating not going out on
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This is this is just one more element.

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I'm not saying to that you should sit
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go out and meet people.

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But hey people spend six or seven hours

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on average in front of their television
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come to them.

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this kind of thing has a lot
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A lot more in some respects than
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a ball game.

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I enjoyed doing both of those things but
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and something that can really add to
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really add a new dimension to your life.

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I think it's I think it's kind of like.

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It's so new you know I mean you're talking
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people actually can become
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unfriendly technology.

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Well I think that's one of the things
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exciting that people are used to thinking
about the computer as this as this

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scary box that that that sits there.

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techy to to do this thing.

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I'm I'm into people things.

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add add things in your life that

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you just don't have other ways.

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So it really makes the computer friendly
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Are you when we get back.

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We've got to take a break right now but
when we get back I really want to get an

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opportunity to find out about what what
it is that possesses you to get into this

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the way that you the way that you do.

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I mean I'm convinced I think this
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but hold on to that.

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We'll come back.

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This is Michael Walker online America.

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We'll be back after this.

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Hello I'm Rick Burnett and welcome to
online America's personal computer news.

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Microsoft Corporation has delayed the
introduction of Microsoft Windows

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until June of 1985.

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The functionality is there but Windows
is larger and slower than the company

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would like a spokeswoman for Microsoft said.

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In addition the operating system environment
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well as the firm would like.

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Microsoft maintains that the impact of the
holdup is lessened by the fact that 50

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independent software vendors writing
applications programs to run under Windows

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won't have their products
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The firm suggests that the
application software is the

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real key to Windows success.

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Asked whether IBM's new windowing
software top view is likely to

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replace Windows in the marketplace.

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Microsoft thinks not even though big
blues product is scheduled to be unveiled

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six months before Microsoft's offering.

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Certainly perceptually top view competes
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the goals of the two
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Top view is a mechanism for running
more than one application at a time.

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Windows is a bit mapped graphical interface
that makes a personal computer look

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like Apple's Macintosh with top view she
adds users of Lotus 1 2 3 may be able to

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create larger spreadsheets but they
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environment with Windows
Lotus becomes a Mac on a PC.

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Compaq and fortune faltered despite sales
increases Compaq computer corporation

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posted record sales of eighty seven
point five million dollars for the third

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quarter ended September 30th an increase
of more than 140 percent over a year

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earlier sales of 36 million dollars yet
quarterly earnings fell to one point nine

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million dollars compared to earnings of
three point eight million dollars for

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1983 third quarter.

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Fortune systems corporation reported a
net loss for the third quarter of three

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point sixty seven million dollars despite
sales of sixteen point seventy six

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million dollars and eighty five percent
increase over revenues for the same

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period a year ago of nine point
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Both companies blamed a softness in the
personal computer industry during the

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summer as well as increased
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Fortune added that it is
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computer introductions as well.

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VisiCorp is about to disappear from the scene.

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The company announced early this month
that it will merge through an exchange of

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stock with Paladin Software Corporation
a startup firm headed by a former

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VisiCorp product marketing
manager that manager Ray folk

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will lead the new company.

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The merger provides Paladin with a source
of cash to carry out its plans for a

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family of office computer software
products that are scheduled

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for introduction early next year.

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VisiCorp sold its VisiOn integrated
software to control data corporation this

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summer for an undisclosed sum.

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Paladin will continue to sell VisiCorp's
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VisiWord word processing packages.

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The firm also retains the right
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This week's news consists of excerpts
from personal computers today

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and from PR News Wire.

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Both available through NewsNet.
For Online America's Personal

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Computer News, I'm Rick Burnett.

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You know, Andy,
it seems like there are articles about

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computers everywhere I look lately.

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You know,
I know computers really are a growing trend.

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For instance, one of the magazines I was
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New Age Journal.
It's one of those New Age magazines, you know.

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And what were you reading about?

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Well, one of the short stories they
had in there was about a guy who's

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writing win-win video games.

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Win-win video games.
That sounds interesting. What are they?

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Well, for instance, one of the games
he's written is called Forest Fire.

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The object of the game is
to learn to work together

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with your quote unquote opponent.

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Traditional competition does not work
in this game, but cooperation and

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communication allow you to put out the
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Hot game.

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Oh, cute. The same guy, his name is Foth Thai,
is also working on a game that

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teaches players how to avert
meltdown at a nuclear plant.

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As he says,
the only way to win is to shut it down.

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I love it.
We'll have to have this guy at the cafe.

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In the meantime,
let's get back to Michael and Howard Goldberg.

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We're back. And, you know,
as I mentioned before, I'm interested.

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If we look at what's happening,
this computer can give us an opportunity to

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become our own entrepreneurs,
our own businesses, our own

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whatever we want to do with this thing.

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And that's basically what
you're doing with this.

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You've taken this idea and now
you're marketing it to the country.

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How does that feel to you?

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I think that's great.

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I think what's happened over the last
few years has really illustrated

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the power of the great American
dream where you can go out and

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you can start your own company.

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And particularly in the software,
in the whole software, people who

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have decided that that's what they want
to do can just go out and they can buy

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themselves a home computer.

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For a few hundred dollars or a
thousand dollars and start producing

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software and selling it.

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[...] it gives it gives people
an opportunity to to to fulfill

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that that kind of agreement.

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And PlayNet has been that for me and
for those of us who are involved,

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it's an opportunity to go out and do what
what what a lot of people dream about

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doing and that's starting their own company.

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And so that's that's a real a real part of it.

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Real satisfying.

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And when I see people on the network at
night and enjoying themselves and and

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there's no way that they would
pay for using PlayNet if

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they weren't getting something out of it.

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So it's something that
that that everybody wins.

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It's a it's a win win kind of situation,
which is which is the best.

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I'll tell you the price is definitely right.

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Two dollars an hour.

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I mean, I don't know how you guys
can afford to be open at that.

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I mean, unless, of course,
you're planning on talking to lots of folks and

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selling this thing to lots of people.

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Why did you pick on two dollars?

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Well, we we felt that to really make this
something that would be available to a

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lot of people, that a lot of people
around the country could enjoy.

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The price had to be right.

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The price had to be something that that
people could afford where they could

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spend enough time on the network to
really get the enjoyment out of it.

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That it would be comparable to other kinds
of entertainment because people have

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to make choices with the way
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You can go out to a show.

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You can you can go bowling.

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And so that's the kind of for a couple hours

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worth of entertainment.

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You really need to to have the price
be somewhere in that kind of range.

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Four dollars, five dollars,
because if it's much higher than that, somebody

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looking at that will say,
well, I'd really like to

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do that, but it's just out of reach.

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And we really want to make this kind
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largest number of people we can.

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I want to talk about the configuration.

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And that simply means which
pieces of the puzzle did you put

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together to make this thing happen?

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You have why don't you tell me what you got.

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OK, Mike, well, what someone needs
to be able to get on play that

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are the the basics of a Commodore system.

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You need to have a Commodore computer keyboard.

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You need a disk drive so you can
put the plain software into it.

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And you need a a box that
connects your computer to

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the telephone and you can buy
these these kind of gadgets

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from from Commodore, a Vic modem from Hess,

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Hess modem or there are other
other manufacturers of modems.

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You can go into mass merchandiser
retailer like Toys R Us and and

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buy that for fifty dollars.

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The the total system would run
somewhere around five hundred dollars.

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The Commodore keyboard typically
runs around one hundred and ninety

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five dollars to hundred dollars.

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This drive about two fifty and the
and the Hess modem or Vic modem

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adds fifty or sixty dollars.

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So that's the basic hardware price.

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Then to buy the plain at subscription package,
you will pay a one

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time subscription fee of about
twenty nine ninety five.

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And that gives you the the
software that you need.

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It gives you the the user guide
to tell you how to use it.

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You'll receive a monthly a monthly
newsletter that gives you all the latest

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things that are happening on play net.

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Who's doing what.

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And then the the basic charge after that
is a six dollar a month flat service fee

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and the two dollars an hour for every
hour that you're on the network.

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And that's it.

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Well, I mean, you know, the thing about
it is is that prior to this, I mean, I

452
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,000
had an I.B.M.P.C.
I do have it now and I got a Hayes modem and

453
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,001
I got the software.

454
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,001
I mean, the software, the modem,
that was like six hundred bucks.

455
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000
And then to get on copies service
like another six bucks a month.

456
00:32:58,001 --> 00:33:02,001
And that's not to mention, if you want to
get on the executive service, which is

457
00:33:02,001 --> 00:33:06,000
like fifteen dollars an hour or something
like that, I don't know the out.

458
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,000
The dollars are weird there,
but it just it's expensive.

459
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,001
And this is really something that
gives people an opportunity to

460
00:33:13,001 --> 00:33:15,001
kind of get in into this thing.

461
00:33:15,001 --> 00:33:16,001
And it's a big network.

462
00:33:16,001 --> 00:33:19,001
How many computer Commodore
users are there out there?

463
00:33:20,001 --> 00:33:21,000
Well, they are.

464
00:33:21,001 --> 00:33:28,001
There are something in the
neighborhood of two million Commodore

465
00:33:28,001 --> 00:33:31,000
64 is out in the marketplace right now.

466
00:33:31,001 --> 00:33:33,001
And that's growing every day.

467
00:33:33,001 --> 00:33:40,000
We chose the Commodore because
they're the largest number of of home

468
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,001
computers of all of the brands out there.

469
00:33:42,001 --> 00:33:44,001
It was the lowest price.

470
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,001
You could buy all the equipment
at at a at a reasonable price.

471
00:33:49,001 --> 00:33:55,001
But we haven't forgotten the people who have I.
B.M.S. and radio shacks and and

472
00:33:55,001 --> 00:33:58,000
the taris and and apples.

473
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,000
And we plan next year to adapt the playnet

474
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000
software to some of these other machines.

475
00:34:04,001 --> 00:34:07,001
So people who who have that equipment
will have the opportunity to

476
00:34:07,001 --> 00:34:09,001
also be playing at subscribers.

477
00:34:11,001 --> 00:34:16,000
And if you're an Apple owner,
you'll be able to talk to a Commodore owner

478
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,001
on the on the network.

479
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,000
We're not it's not going to be that only
apples can talk to apples and so on.

480
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:30,000
So whatever you have,
we will over time be able to have you join us.

481
00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:34,000
Does that mean that that's the
way it is on say CompuServe?

482
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,001
If you're an Apple, you can't talk to IBM.

483
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:45,000
No, you can you can do that also now the
but the big difference between playnet

484
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,001
and CompuServe and the source
and Dow Jones is that on on the

485
00:34:50,001 --> 00:34:52,000
other networks, there are no graphics.

486
00:34:52,001 --> 00:34:56,000
What you see are just words and
numbers coming across the screen.

487
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,000
So there's no software that has to
go into your computer in playnet

488
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,000
in order for you to have all
of the the beautiful graphics

489
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
that that we offer you.

490
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:15,000
You need to have the software and as you know,
Mike, Commodore software only

491
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,001
works on a Commodore computer and and so on.

492
00:35:18,001 --> 00:35:24,001
So we have to adapt our software for each
of the each of the different machines.

493
00:35:24,001 --> 00:35:29,000
And that's the price we pay to to
offer the kind of quality product

494
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,001
that that we want to offer people.

495
00:35:30,001 --> 00:35:34,001
You know, this, you know, the one of
the trippiest things about this whole

496
00:35:34,001 --> 00:35:40,001
industry that I'm starting to really look at,
there's a certain now there's a lot

497
00:35:40,001 --> 00:35:42,000
of volatility in this industry.

498
00:35:42,001 --> 00:35:44,000
There's a lot of volatility.

499
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,001
I mean, guys come in here,
they really mean the best of everything.

500
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
And they're there to have
the best of intentions.

501
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
And for some reason, they fall.

502
00:35:54,001 --> 00:35:55,000
They don't make it.

503
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:55,001
They don't get through.

504
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,001
Maybe they overproject
themselves had too much money to

505
00:35:58,001 --> 00:36:00,000
get started or didn't have enough.

506
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,000
And they went the wrong path, followed a
machine that died out there at the end

507
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,001
of the pier or they went into one that
totally dropped his whole marketing plan

508
00:36:09,001 --> 00:36:13,001
that you based everything on and then
brought in another competitive computer

509
00:36:13,001 --> 00:36:15,000
that would blow everything away.

510
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:17,001
Why?

511
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Why play in this kind of arena?

512
00:36:20,001 --> 00:36:23,000
Why get into this for yourself personally?

513
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,001
Well, you know, I guess it's like the
person who who goes and clowns who climbs

514
00:36:29,001 --> 00:36:33,001
Mount Everest in some ways,
you kind of do it because it's there.

515
00:36:36,001 --> 00:36:43,000
When I looked at the different kind of
things that I could do this one, this

516
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:49,000
whole business attracted me because I guess
partly because of the excitement that

517
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000
it's kind of a two-edged sword.

518
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:56,000
On the one hand, the excitement and
the volatility means opportunity.

519
00:36:56,001 --> 00:36:59,000
On the other hand, it's a tough business.

520
00:36:59,001 --> 00:37:00,000
And you're absolutely right.

521
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,001
People come and people go.

522
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,001
And there have been some some very vague
and otherwise successful companies like

523
00:37:09,001 --> 00:37:15,000
Texas Instruments and Mattel and Atari that

524
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,000
that have fallen on tough times.

525
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:26,000
But I guess there are those of
us who like to play in the in

526
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,001
the fast, exciting games.

527
00:37:28,001 --> 00:37:31,001
And I find myself in that in that group.

528
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:32,001
You and me both.

529
00:37:33,001 --> 00:37:35,000
We'll be right back after this.

530
00:37:35,001 --> 00:37:36,000
It's Michael Walker.

531
00:37:36,001 --> 00:37:37,000
We're with.

532
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Oh, God, Howard.

533
00:37:39,001 --> 00:37:40,001
I'll tell you.

534
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,001
It's Howard Goldberg.

535
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,001
We're the famous computer cafe.

536
00:37:46,001 --> 00:37:47,001
Stay tuned, you guys.

537
00:37:55,001 --> 00:37:57,001
So what else was in that
new age here in Leland?

538
00:37:58,001 --> 00:38:01,001
Well, another interesting article
talked about a couple that got tired of

539
00:38:01,001 --> 00:38:05,000
watching their kids get sick of their toys
after playing with them for one week.

540
00:38:05,001 --> 00:38:08,000
And they reasoned that adults probably
went through the same sort of thing.

541
00:38:08,001 --> 00:38:09,001
I have an idea what they meant.

542
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,001
So what did they do?

543
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Well, they instituted something called a
toy brewery, a lending library of toys.

544
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Of course,
their definition of toys makes me think

545
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,001
they're people after my own heart.

546
00:38:19,001 --> 00:38:22,001
Their toys include a printing press,
a portable dark room, a potter's

547
00:38:22,001 --> 00:38:24,001
wheel, a Steinway grand piano.

548
00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:26,000
That's a serious toy.

549
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,001
[...]

550
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,000
And an 11 home computers and 200
different software products.

551
00:38:30,001 --> 00:38:33,001
According to the article, they even
have two of the local restaurants with

552
00:38:33,001 --> 00:38:36,001
standing monthly reservations for the
computers to do their bookkeeping.

553
00:38:36,001 --> 00:38:37,001
So where are they located?

554
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
They're in upstate Vermont somewhere.

555
00:38:40,001 --> 00:38:44,000
Sounds like another idea about
how to make money and have fun

556
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,001
with your personal computer, really.

557
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,000
[...]

558
00:38:46,001 --> 00:38:49,001
Well, let's get back to Michael and
Howard Goldberg talking about PlayNet.

559
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,001
Welcome back.

560
00:38:53,001 --> 00:38:55,001
We're with Howard Goldberg.

561
00:38:56,001 --> 00:38:59,001
And Howard is the chairman of PlayNet,
which is a

562
00:38:59,001 --> 00:39:01,001
telecommunications database service.

563
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
You can actually access it from your home.

564
00:39:04,001 --> 00:39:07,001
Right now, it's only on the Commodore,
but it's soon to be out, released for next

565
00:39:07,001 --> 00:39:10,000
to early next year for the IBM.

566
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,001
[...] Apple and the other folks out there.

567
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000
I really want to get in.

568
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,000
The kind of questions I like to ask
my guests before I leave is, what?

569
00:39:21,001 --> 00:39:23,001
Where do you see this business going?

570
00:39:25,001 --> 00:39:29,000
Telecommunications getting online,
people talking to people.

571
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:35,001
Is there a sense of a main database
of Big Brother or is there a sense of

572
00:39:35,001 --> 00:39:40,000
freedom, a bright spot in the future
that we can communicate with?

573
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,000
I realize I'm rambling a little bit here,
but not

574
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000
really, because I want to express that.

575
00:39:45,001 --> 00:39:46,001
What do you think?

576
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,001
How do you feel about this whole thing?

577
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,001
And where do you see the
things going in the future?

578
00:39:52,001 --> 00:39:59,001
Well, Mike, what I see is that this really
represents an evolution, another step.

579
00:40:00,001 --> 00:40:06,000
If you look at a home and you look at
the kinds of things that are there that

580
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,001
connect people to the outside world,
basically you've got your telephone, the

581
00:40:11,001 --> 00:40:13,001
radio, and the TV.

582
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Radio and TV are basically instruments
that allow things to come into your home.

583
00:40:22,001 --> 00:40:27,001
The telephone is the one thing
that allows you to go both ways.

584
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,001
Now, because people can for the first
time in history have a computer in their

585
00:40:34,001 --> 00:40:37,000
home, it really adds another capability.

586
00:40:38,001 --> 00:40:45,001
And services like PlayNet, which really
connect the telephone and the TV and the

587
00:40:45,001 --> 00:40:50,001
computer,
add a new level of power to that whole

588
00:40:50,001 --> 00:40:56,000
element of connecting the
home with the outside.

589
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:03,000
And so when you look at what you
do when you're watching TV, you

590
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,000
get entertainment, you get information,
the telephone is communication.

591
00:41:08,001 --> 00:41:15,000
There are already things like bill
paying over the phone, shopping,

592
00:41:15,001 --> 00:41:17,000
calling up and placing an order.

593
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,001
And the computer really is going to
help you do many of the things that you

594
00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:28,000
already do in an easier way.

595
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,001
It's going to add capability so that,
for example, being able to make contact

596
00:41:33,001 --> 00:41:39,000
with people, meet new people,
which is kind of like the telephone

597
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,000
but with something new.

598
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,000
That's kind of how I see it.
That's part of an evolution from when Alexander

599
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Graham Bell first created the phone a
hundred years ago and gave people a

600
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,000
new way to communicate with the world.

601
00:42:02,001 --> 00:42:08,001
That was a step in what's happening in life.

602
00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:14,001
Well, I think the product that you have
is pretty neat. When's it going to be out

603
00:42:14,001 --> 00:42:16,000
and when's it going to be available? When are

604
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,001
people going to get to have it in their homes?

605
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,001
Well, we will be marketing it
starting the end of October.

606
00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:33,000
People can call us on 1-800-PLAYNET and ask for

607
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,001
information or subscribe and we'll be
happy to send them out a subscription kit.

608
00:42:37,001 --> 00:42:43,000
But right now you need to have Commodore 64.

609
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,001
As I said earlier,
next year we'll be adding other machines.

610
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:56,000
But please, if you're interested,
call us on 1-800-PLAYNET and

611
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000
we'll be happy to talk to you.

612
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:04,001
Well, I've got to tell you, I have totally
enjoyed this howard. It's been... I

613
00:43:04,001 --> 00:43:08,001
really didn't realize what PlayNET
was all about and having had

614
00:43:08,001 --> 00:43:10,000
experience did myself.

615
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,001
I can honestly attest to the graphics.
I can honestly attest to the game even

616
00:43:14,001 --> 00:43:19,001
though Bill H, whoever that guy was,
I think he was on the other

617
00:43:19,001 --> 00:43:21,000
side of the country, beat me.

618
00:43:22,001 --> 00:43:28,001
I don't like to get beat too often,
I've got to tell you that. But anyway, I

619
00:43:28,001 --> 00:43:32,001
think it's pretty neat. I'm glad you showed
it to me. I'm glad you took the time

620
00:43:32,001 --> 00:43:34,000
to turn me on to this.

621
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000
But more importantly, it's been great
having you on the show. I've really enjoyed

622
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,001
your time here. It's been real informative.
I've learned a lot

623
00:43:42,001 --> 00:43:44,001
and feel like I made a friend.

624
00:43:45,001 --> 00:43:51,000
Well, thanks, Mike. I've really enjoyed
being on your show and being on Online

625
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:57,000
America. And I hope we will both
be able to help people get online

626
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,001
all across America and the world.
And thank you very much for having me.

627
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,001
Alright. Stay tuned, guys.

628
00:44:14,001 --> 00:44:18,000
And now a word from our IBM correspondent,
Dave Johnson.

629
00:44:44,001 --> 00:44:48,000
Today's discussion is about helping
yourself and other people who may use a PC.

630
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,001
Who hasn't wanted to do that? I know I have.

631
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,001
Instead of learning the language of DOS,
you may choose your process from a menu.

632
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,001
There are many occasions when a
process on a PC may actually be

633
00:45:00,001 --> 00:45:02,000
composed of three or four steps.

634
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:08,001
Prime example, I want to dial my bank for
an account statement. Command 1, I load

635
00:45:08,001 --> 00:45:12,000
the communication software. Command 2, I enter

636
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,001
the phone number for the modem to dial.

637
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,001
Command 3, I enter the password and account
number. Command 4, enter request for

638
00:45:19,001 --> 00:45:23,001
account balance. Now, who wouldn't
want to simplify that? I know I have.

639
00:45:23,001 --> 00:45:27,001
There are several packages that are
available that will help you build menus.

640
00:45:28,001 --> 00:45:32,000
This allows you, with a single keystroke,
to complete that whole

641
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,001
command sequence I just mentioned.

642
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,000
One of the best is Starburst by MicroPro,
makers of WordStar. This package allows

643
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,000
you to build a hierarchical menu tree.
And who hasn't dreamed of doing

644
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,001
that? I know I have.

645
00:45:44,001 --> 00:45:50,001
With Starburst, you may link menus or
tasks together. The main or opening menu

646
00:45:50,001 --> 00:45:54,001
will allow you to pick submenus.
That is, access to your communication

647
00:45:54,001 --> 00:45:56,001
software or your database.

648
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,001
Once at the appropriate submenu,
you execute command sequences with a single

649
00:46:01,001 --> 00:46:05,000
choice.
Your communication menu may have four choices.

650
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Examples 1, dial the bank for a balance.
2, dial an outside database. 3,

651
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,000
an electronic mail. Or 4, modify the menu.

652
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Another approach is Autodos by Excalibur
Technologies, which is, quote, a

653
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,001
complete automatic menu-driven
DOS control program, unquote.

654
00:46:25,001 --> 00:46:31,001
You can chain DOS commands together into
a menu choice. For example, from the

655
00:46:31,001 --> 00:46:37,000
main menu, you can pick number 1,
which will change your directory to a WordStar

656
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,001
subdirectory, then bring up WordStar,
and you're ready to go.

657
00:46:41,001 --> 00:46:47,000
Now, both of these packages offer an
added advantage, password protection. If

658
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,000
someone else wants to know your correspondence
on WordStar, if they don't know

659
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,000
the password, they don't get past the menu.

660
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,001
Well, this has been Dave Johnson for Online
America, logging off. And who hasn't

661
00:46:58,001 --> 00:47:00,000
wanted to do that? I know I have.

662
00:47:03,001 --> 00:47:07,001
Dollars and Sense by Monogram is
designed to take two complex subjects,

663
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,000
accounting and computing,
and make them easy for

664
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,001
people who don't understand either one.

665
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,001
Dollars and Sense writes checks,
analyzes investments, monitors your assets and

666
00:47:16,001 --> 00:47:18,001
liabilities, and handles daily transactions.

667
00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:23,000
Why Dollars and Sense will even remind
you when to pay your bills. With its easy

668
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,000
way to call up your transactions by date,
type, check number or tax status,

669
00:47:27,001 --> 00:47:29,000
you'll be all ready for tax time.

670
00:47:29,001 --> 00:47:34,001
So get ready for 1985 and buy Dollars
and Sense today. Go now to the Software

671
00:47:34,001 --> 00:47:39,000
Spot at 10977 Santa Monica
Boulevard in West LA, or call

672
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,001
477-7561.

673
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Save by mentioning the famous Computer Cafe,
the Software Spot, where it

674
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,001
makes sense to spend your dollars.

675
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,001
And now we're going to go over to Paul
and Sarah Edwards. We're going to tell us

676
00:47:55,001 --> 00:47:58,001
about some new ways to make
money with our microcomputers.

677
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,001
Hi, Michael. If you're interested in stocks
and bonds, how about this as an idea

678
00:48:03,001 --> 00:48:07,001
for a business you can start with your
computer? Monitoring stock portfolios.

679
00:48:08,001 --> 00:48:12,000
With portfolio management software,
you can track the performance of investments

680
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,001
like stocks, bonds, options,
treasury bills and mutual funds.

681
00:48:16,001 --> 00:48:21,000
If you invest in stocks and bonds yourself,
you may already have one of these

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programs and can use it to offer
a service to other people.

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If you haven't used portfolio management
software before, it works like this. You

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key in the current unit price of each
security and it instantly will determine

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for you the current value of the
particular portfolio you're interested in.

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You can set up your stock portfolio
business on a per inquiry basis or on a

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monthly retainer that allows customers
so many inquiries each month.

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The software you need ranges in cost
from less than $100 to several hundred.

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If you want to expand this business into
preparing stock predictions, you'll also

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need an electronic spreadsheet,
which will cost about $200 to $300.

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The spreadsheet software allows you to
estimate what the effect of potential or

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announced courses of action
will be on a portfolio.

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In other words, you can help your
customers play what if games with

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possible or actual investments.

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By changing the variables of price,
earnings, dividends and so forth in various

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combinations,
you can project how much an investment would do

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if this or that happened.

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With a spreadsheet, you can change one
of the variables and the program then

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automatically changes all the others.

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It saves you a tremendous
amount of time in doing

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recalculations by hand or with a calculator.

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And now that stock trading services are
available nationally on your personal

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computer, you can actually trade stock too.

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Here's how that service works
with one particular service.

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Using virtually any personal computer,
a subscriber to this service can enter buy

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and sell orders 24 hours a
day on exchange lists and

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over-the-counter stocks and options.

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A broker reviews each order on a computer
screen before forwarding it to the

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appropriate exchange via his or her computer.

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The broker then confirms back to your
computer and settles up through an asset

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management or a money order account.

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A one-time set-up fee of around
$200 is charged for this service.

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Then usage costs run around 40 cents
a minute during prime time hours and

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10 cents a minute during off hours.

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These fees are added to the usual commission.

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To get customers for your portfolio
management service, you can start with

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offering your service to friends and neighbors.

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You can join local business
groups and organizations.

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And of course, everywhere you go,
tell people about your business.

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Give free demonstrations to civic
groups and church groups and friends.

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Because not everyone knows yet
how easy it is to gain investment

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information with a personal computer.

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You might even end up selling
investment software to your

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customers and teaching them how to use it.

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This is Paul and Sarah
Edwards for Online America.

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If you're operating a computer business
out there, let us hear about it.

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And if monitoring stock portfolios
sounds like a good business idea to you,

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remember, someone's going to do it,
it might as well be you.

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Paul and Sarah Edwards are the authors
of How to Make Money with Your Personal

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Computer, the Alfred Handy Guy.

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And they operate the Work at
Home Special Interest Group on

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CompuServe Information Service.

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You know, I sometimes wonder whether it
would be like to go back in history,

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sitting on the bow of the Nina, the Pinta,
or the Santa Maria, when Columbus

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dropped anchor for the first
time in the New World.

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Or be a conquistador under Hernando Cortes
when he challenged the entire Aztec

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Empire with only 400 men.

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You can now experience everything the
first Spaniards did with the Seven Cities

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of Gold from Electronic Arts, which is
available for the Commodore 64, Apple II,

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II Plus, and IIe, and Atari systems.

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The game is an excellent blend
of strategy and arcade, which

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serves as an excellent teaching tool.

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The Neophyte Explorer not only learns
to read a map and follow a compass, but

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also gains some insight into
the historical relationship

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between the Indians and the conquistadors.

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Take the opportunity to play the game
utilizing trade and cooperation, and the

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natives are likely to shower you with gifts.

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Play the game with ruthless force,
and you'll be greeted with ruthless violence.

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The game begins in Spain at the port city
where you make decisions about how many

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men, ships, and provisions you'll
take with you to the New World.

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There's a store, a tavern,
and even the royal palace.

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As you embark on your journey across the ocean,
you'll immediately notice the

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sound of ocean waves as your fleet
heads into the great unknown.

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Soon enough, you reach land.

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As you disembark,
you again make decisions on how much food

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and provisions to take with you.

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Now the real adventure begins.

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The goal of the game is to
cover as much territory and

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acquire as much gold as possible.

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As you encounter native settlements,
you either engage them in battle or

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trade, depending on how you approach them.

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That might seem like an easy choice,
but I can tell you from personal experience

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that all of my peace-loving intentions
seemed to go right out the window many

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times during the game when I was
unable to accomplish my objectives

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through non-violent means.

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As a matter of fact, I ended up killing
so many Indians that the Queen refused to

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see me when I returned home to Spain at
the end of the game, saying that I had

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not represented my country in a
manner in which she could be proud.

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As I said, folks,
this game is really an education.

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As you play the game, the computer keeps track

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of the territory which you've discovered.

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The exciting thing is that you don't
get to see a bird's eye view of your

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discovery until you return home to Spain.

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I was so excited to the point of real
impatience that I couldn't wait to sail

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back across the ocean before I could
view my discoveries as a whole.

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I guess there's a little bit
of the explorer in all of us.

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Perhaps the best feature of the game is
its ability to create a whole new set of

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continents when you've finished
exploring the old ones.

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Just think, a whole new world that no
one's ever seen before, just waiting

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on the other side of the ocean.

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00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,001
Now, who could resist that?

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This has been Andy Velkoff at the Explorers'
Table here at

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the famous Computer Cafe.

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Is your microcomputer feeling a bit under
the weather, suffering from boredom,

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00:54:34,001 --> 00:54:38,001
stagnation, and the curse of running
spreadsheet after spreadsheet?

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Well, welcome to the world of Zork I,
II, and III by Infocom, and turn your

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microcomputer into the
great underground empire.

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Zork I confronts you with perils and
predicaments, ranging from the mystical to

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the macabre as you search for
the 20 treasures of Zork.

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In Zork II, the Wizard of Frobaz takes
you to new depths of the subterranean

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realm and attempts to confound
you with his capricious powers.

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In Zork III, the Dungeon Master tests
your wisdom and courage, and your destiny

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00:55:13,001 --> 00:55:15,000
hangs in the balance.

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00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:21,000
The entire Zork trilogy is available
at Simply Software, 3001 B, Sepulveda

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Boulevard, Manhattan Beach, across from
the Manhattan Beach Mall, or call 213

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-546-2467.

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Mention the name of Online America for your 15%
discount off any Zork product.

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That's Simply Software, a soft sell dealer.

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We'd like to thank everyone who helped
make this show possible. Howard Goldberg,

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a play net. Dave Johnson, our IBM
correspondent, and Paul and Sarah Edwards.

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Our reviewer, Evan Stein, Rick Burnett,
our newsman, engineer, and matri D. And

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of course, the Dr. Disc, our resident
poet who checks his mail daily for your

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letters, so send a letter today.

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And of course, everyone who writes in to Dr.
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giveaway will receive a free Famous
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hot, so get one today and be
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Thanks for listening, and remember to
let everyone know that you have a bite

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regularly at the Famous Computer Cafe.

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The Famous Computer Cafe is brought to
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Angeles. The Software Spot,
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The Software Spot,
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You've been dining at the Famous Computer
Cafe here on KFOX 93.5 FM on your dial.

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The cafe is open each Sunday afternoon at 4pm,
Monday morning at 9am,

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and Wednesday night at 9pm.

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We hope you've enjoyed your meal and
nourished your mind. If you have a comment

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or question regarding the show,
please drop us a line or give us a call here at

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the Famous Computer Cafe 1322 Second Street,
Suite 24, Santa Monica, California.

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90401, or call 213-394-7242.
That's the Famous Computer

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Cafe 1322 Second Street, Suite 24,
Santa Monica, California 90401,

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or call 213-394-7242.

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Thanks for joining us and we hope to be
serving you again soon here at the Famous

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Computer Cafe, a production of Soft TV Inc.
and brought to you by Online America,

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the voice of the Information Age.